Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau holds a news conference in Beijing, China on Tuesday, Dec. 5, 2017. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Sean Kilpatrick
BEIJING — Pursuing free trade with China and preserving the North American Free Trade Agreement are part of Canada’s international mission to combat the rising tide of populism, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Tuesday.
Trudeau said Canada’s ongoing NAFTA renegotiation with the Donald Trump administration in Washington was a big part of his dinner conversation Monday night with Chinese Premier Li Keqiang.
Trudeau characterized his trade ambitions with China, NAFTA and pursuing other deals in Asia, including a new version of Trans-Pacific Partnership, as part of Canada’s fight against the protectionist tide most closely associated with Trump.
"It’s a time where there is much political space given up in various countries for populism or resurgent nationalism. And Canada stands strongly as a country that is making a case for international trade that benefits everyone. We will continue to do that," he told reporters in Beijing.
"We take very seriously the responsibility we have to improve NAFTA to benefit both Canada, the United States and Mexico," Trudeau added.
"Canada is not in the business of trying to create a zero sum game or create winners or losers in trade deals."
Trudeau was speaking ahead of his main event Tuesday — a meeting with China’s powerful leader, President Xi Jinping on his second full day in China as talks continued to formally kickstart free trade talks between the two countries.
After meeting with Xi behind closed doors in Beijing, Trudeau will fly south to the city of Guangzhou for the Fortune Global Forum, a major conference of international business leaders.
Trudeau said he would not hesitate to raise human rights concerns with the powerful Chinese leader who has reasserted his control over the country in historic ways.
"The nature of the very strong and constructive relationship between Canada and China right now means that we can have strong and frank discussions about issues that we see differently without endangering the positive relationship we have," Trudeau said.
He said he’s raised specific consular cases, and the inability to Canadian diplomats to visit some Canadians in prison.
The meeting with Xi follows Trudeau’s talks on Monday with Li, where they were not able to announce the start of formal free trade talks.
International Trade Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne was continuing the trade discussions Tuesday morning and skipped a roundtable that Trudeau led with about two dozen Canadian and Chinese business leaders. Trudeau began the day meeting with a group involved in an education project aimed at women in rural China headed by a British Columbia woman.
Trudeau said there wasn’t one particular issue that held up the talks, but he wants a progressive trade deal that includes addressing issues such as gender, the environment and labour.
Trudeau touted the lower-level agreements the two countries inked Monday on energy and the environment, agriculture and education as ways of incrementally moving relations forward as part of his new annual leaders’ dialogue.
"Whether there are formal negotiations or simply exploratory talks, we are constantly engaged with our Chinese counterparts."
The Canadian Cattlemen’s Association said the agreement reached Monday could generate $125 million in new beef exports in the next five years, while the exploratory free trade talks continue.
"We know that they’re working on it. Things haven’t stopped," John Masswohl, the association’s international relations director, told reporters in Beijing.
China imposes a 12-per cent tariff on Canadian beef, while Australia faces a seven per cent tariff that is gradually being phased out through their free trade agreement with China, he said.
The agriculture sector’s enthusiasm for free trade with China contrasts with some other 600 businesses, academics and civil society groups who took part in government consultations.
Some expressed fears that a free trade pact with China could kill Canadian jobs and reduce their ability to compete against China’s lax labour standards, lower environmental requirements and state subsidies.
Masswohl said opening new markets for Canadian beef in China is crucial. "Right now our biggest risk is we ship 270,000 tonnes of beef to the United States, and possibly facing losing that NAFTA agreement with the United States, which I think is a possibility."
Trudeau told a large boardroom of three-dozen business leaders on Tuesday morning that China and Canada are continuing their exploratory discussions on a comprehensive trade deal.
The government wants to establish a framework with China that would broaden the talks to include the environment, governance, labour and gender issues before deciding to formally begin trade negotiations.
"We know that creating a strong framework in which investments and businesses and the rules that surround the operations of Canadian companies in China, and Chinese companies in Canada will be laid out, and predictable, is something that everyone is looking for," Trudeau told the business leader off the top of their one-hour closed door meeting.
"I know how important predictability and smooth understanding of the context in which we are, is important for business decisions."
The two-dozen participants included Bombardier, Shopify, Manulife, SNC Lavalin, Bank of Montreal and Scotiabank.
"The formal free trade talk is a critical point that this mission’s about. We’re optimistic that eventually we’ll get to where we need to, to move forward," said Preston Swafford, the chief nuclear officer for SNC Lavalin, which is vying for a slice of the clean energy market in China.
"They’re still working. The term is: the cake is not baked yet."
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